"Shoots em fast and hard with an 8.4 the rof is respectable. Grouping is not the tightest but the hopup is good. Have gotten beyond 100 ft kills accurately outdoors. I use .30s with this usually but .23s works well also. Shoots high when aiming down the sight but .3s helped. The windup sounds a little grindy, metallic. The sling mount on the buttstock rattles like a mofo I covered mine in duct tape. Flash hider came off somewhat easily if you don't mind prying it off bit by bit with a screwdriver. For the price I think it's great. It can hold i's own outdoors, but it's kinda rude to use it indoors. Oh yeah safety recently broke but no big deal. Still has full and semi. I'll take it apart later. God ol' cyma quality but I'd also be down for the regular non vpower version. But I got this on sale for $90 free shipping from ASM >:D. Has not failed once yet, though"